Craigslist PayPal Scam

Hi,
I’m replying to your post on craigslist for your listed item,is it still up for sale?
Let me know.
Thanks

This legitimate-looking email came from Sara Jason <skittysara2 [at] gmail [dot] com>. Generic enough — nothing to be concerned about. I replied: “Yes.”

Her response:

Good day ,

I’m much interested in buying it, I want it for my cousin.. So am willing to offer you $420 plus shipping via USPS (EMS) express mail to him, he schools in a missionary in Nigeria and I’m presently out of town a the moment so you’ll arrange for the shipping handling..Get back to me as soon as you can so I can arrange to send the money through my paypal account,so send me your paypal account address so i can send you the money there… I’ll wait your reply.

Thanks Sara

I just came across the site FakeChecks.org.

They have videos where a guy tries to pull Internet scams in real life. They’re ridiculous, and he does it in such a way that it’s obviously fake.

The goal of the site is to prevent these scams from tricking people. But I think these videos are actually a disservice, because of the exaggerated way they are done. People fall for these scams because they seem reasonable. The scammers often won’t contact you not unsolicited, but rather in response to something you have for sale, on Craigslist for example. In the videos, the guy posing as a scammer approaches people out of nowhere, a complete stranger, and makes very little attempt to establish a connection beforehand. And the offer itself is just ridiculous. $70,000 when people are buying fruits at a grocery stand? For a car, maybe. Or a house. But not in that context.

Sure, the videos are meant to be ridiculous. They’re meant to showcase the absurdity of it. But based on these videos, people will think that the scams are easy to identify. It’s easy to think that you need only be careful of obviously fake checks of ridiculous amounts.

The scammers will choose smaller amounts. It is still easily worth it to them.

In these countries, people earn less than $200 a month at a full-time job. Spending lots of time on an elaborate scam is easily within reason for them.

And, of course, these things don’t happen in real life. They happen online. So when this guy tries using Internet scams in real life, it’s obvious they won’t work (although they do work in just 1 rare instance). There are real-life scammers, too. But they adapt to the situation.

People are spending more and more time online. And people are being born every day, unaware of the risks and the scams. They don’t teach this in school. Common sense is not common.

The online scams are far trickier than the real-life ones.

If you post an ad on Craigslist, there are lots of legitimate people who may contact you.

But there are also lots of scammers, too.

Use Craigslist for any significant period of time, and you will definitely get an email from a scammer. Guaranteed. No question about it. Scammers blanket email everyone who lists something of any significant value (more than $100) on Craigslist.

I got a fake money order from someone on Craigslist, who asked me to wire some portion of the money back to him. I didn’t even bother depositing the money order (or cashier’s check), because I knew it had to be fake.

But you cannot tell by its appearance.

It exactly duplicates a legitimate cashier’s check.

Physically, there is no difference whatsoever.

The bank can’t even tell. In fact, the check will “clear”. But that does not mean it was good.

Weeks or months later, the bank will discover it was a bad check, and take the money back.

In the case of “Sara”, above, it’s a PayPal scam.

If you accept, you’ll receive a legitimate-looking email from “PayPal” saying that the funds have been received and secured, and they are waiting for you in escrow. You just need to verify your account info (or some personal info) to receive them. A bit of a twist, and no fake check involved this time. But still a scam, this time of a type that would be classified as a phishing scam.

There are some good parts to the FakeChecks.org site, like the Victim Interviews. Some of them are actually quite interesting. If you don’t already consider yourself an expert on Internet scams, they’re definitely worth a watch.

  1. Sheila’s avatar

    Best to avoid Craigslist altogether and instead post on Ouchpost. http://www.ouchpost.com

    There, they have built in tools to prevent scams and your posts move higher in the default view over time instead of lower like on Craigslist.

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  2. S. Carr’s avatar

    Great info. I had no idea about the twist on recieving money through paypal, I always thought it was the securest way to send money, now I know. Will still use paypal for sure but not through an escrow account :)

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  3. Quincy Deinq’s avatar

    EXACT SAME THING happened to me! I also go to USC. I am a junior majoring in Environmental Studies.

    Here is a link to my blog where I write about my scam:

    http://quincydein.blogspot.com/2009/11/beware-scamers.html

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  4. Myra’s avatar

    I almost got scammed this same way!! and i cannot believe i actually almost gave that guy my Paypal info! i’m so glad i read this BEFORE i made any “transaction”.. here is the emails..

    From: james john [mailto:jamesbarron20005@gmail.com]
    To: Aguirre, Myra
    Subject: Laptop for sale HP dv6000 – $350 (Fullerton/Whittier)

    >>Hi Seller?
    is above this item still up for sale? kindly get back to me with the condition thanks?

    Me:
    Yes it is still for sale. I have a few people interested but someone has yet to decide on it. it is in great condition not scratches or signs of use.

    From: james john [mailto:jamesbarron20005@gmail.com]
    To: Aguirre, Myra
    Subject: Laptop for sale HP dv6000 – $350 (Fullerton/Whittier)

    Thanks for getting back to me so soon. i do really need this item urgently for my son schooling in oversea for his final year graduation i would have love to make this transaction face to face but ma out of the state for a business job that is why i brought up this idea am really interested in this laptop if you can sell this laptop to me i will add an extra $170 as a shipping cost and i will made the payment cos i do really need this item that is why. please send me your pay pal email address i will made the payment asap thanks?

    me:
    i will not accept a payment through pay pal. sorry.

    From: james john [mailto:jamesbarron20005@gmail.com]
    To: Aguirre, Myra
    Subject: Laptop for sale HP dv6000 – $350 (Fullerton/Whittier
    Sorry Myra am not comfortable sending check that is why i brought up this idea via paypal is very easy and fast way to pay doing online business transaction. am happy to do business if you don’t have a pay pal account is very easy and fast kindly log to http://www.paypal.com to your private email and do register there do get back to me asap so that i can arrange for the payment presently thanks?

    Me:
    Where are you located first of all?

    From: james john [mailto:jamesbarron20005@gmail.com]
    To: Aguirre, Myra
    Subject: Laptop for sale HP dv6000 – $350 (Fullerton/Whittier)
    I live Atlanta but am out of the state for a business job just help me to ship this item for son schooling in oversea do get back to me asap thanks?

    Me:
    no thank you. i do not do business with people that cannot meet with me in person and paycash.

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  5. Nathan’s avatar

    Hint: If they have a reason for needing to use paypal like being out of state, blah blah blah, instant fake. :)

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  6. Craig’s avatar

    If you want a great list of scams and other problems with Craigslist visit http://www.howtobeatcraigslist.uni.cc and get an eyeful.

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