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	<description>Thoughts, opinions and fascinating discoveries by Elliot, a student at USC</description>
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		<title>By: anette diaz</title>
		<link>http://www.intelliot.com/blog/archives/2007/12/07/argument-against-abortion/#comment-412937</link>
		<dc:creator>anette diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear elliot lee,

  abortion is not a good thing because the babies had nothing to do with them aborting it.aborting shouldn't be allowed because the children deserve to live and see life.so,i understand what your saying because its not fair for them...

                    sincerely,
                       anette</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear elliot lee,</p>
<p>  abortion is not a good thing because the babies had nothing to do with them aborting it.aborting shouldn&#8217;t be allowed because the children deserve to live and see life.so,i understand what your saying because its not fair for them&#8230;</p>
<p>                    sincerely,<br />
                       anette</p>
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		<title>By: Adventures in Parenting Updates at Elliot Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.intelliot.com/blog/archives/2007/12/07/argument-against-abortion/#comment-370475</link>
		<dc:creator>Adventures in Parenting Updates at Elliot Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recently, I read Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s The Way Things Ought to Be. I&#8217;ve posted about it before: Argument Against Abortion. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Recently, I read Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s The Way Things Ought to Be. I&#8217;ve posted about it before: Argument Against Abortion. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.intelliot.com/blog/archives/2007/12/07/argument-against-abortion/#comment-368566</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Emil, thanks for the comment! That's a reasonable understanding, as we believe life begins at conception. If it's not the wish of the parents, there are plenty of birth control methods available which would prevent the need for an abortion. Once innocent human life has been created, it must have a chance to live. As you said, "an unwanted child has just as much chance for being loved and cared for, as a wanted child has of being neglected."

Thanks again for stopping by, and I hope to hear from you again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Emil, thanks for the comment! That&#8217;s a reasonable understanding, as we believe life begins at conception. If it&#8217;s not the wish of the parents, there are plenty of birth control methods available which would prevent the need for an abortion. Once innocent human life has been created, it must have a chance to live. As you said, &#8220;an unwanted child has just as much chance for being loved and cared for, as a wanted child has of being neglected.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks again for stopping by, and I hope to hear from you again!</p>
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		<title>By: Emil Rasmussen</title>
		<link>http://www.intelliot.com/blog/archives/2007/12/07/argument-against-abortion/#comment-368205</link>
		<dc:creator>Emil Rasmussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

Just bumped into your blog by chance (thanks for ThinkPad keyboard beep fix!), and coming from Denmark it's strange to read that otherwise reasonable people is against abortion. Here in Denmark only the minority that is against abortion, so if you, for instance, speak out at party that you is against, it will definitely raise some eyebrows.

I should properly underline that I &lt;b&gt;do not&lt;/b&gt; see you as being not reasonable, it just interesting to see someone that has another opinion. And it got me interested in reading the case against abortion.

While reading Limbaugh's arguments I really tried to understand why one would be against abortion. I and actually think that I understand: You simply believe that is wrong kill an embryo.

I think that this belief is just as much a socialized belief, as it is a belief based on fact based reasoning. It is just very hard to change someone's mind on this subject.

For me the important thing is that a child should not be brought into the world if itâ€™s not the wish of the parents. For me itâ€™s wrong to have unwanted children. It is in the wording "unwanted" - that doesn't sound nice. 

Although I have to admit that an unwanted child has just as much chance for being loved and cared for, as a wanted child has of being neglected.

Thanks for the insight into the case against! This reply isn't meant to start a heated discussion, just my thoughts after reading you post.

Regards Emil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Just bumped into your blog by chance (thanks for ThinkPad keyboard beep fix!), and coming from Denmark it&#8217;s strange to read that otherwise reasonable people is against abortion. Here in Denmark only the minority that is against abortion, so if you, for instance, speak out at party that you is against, it will definitely raise some eyebrows.</p>
<p>I should properly underline that I <b>do not</b> see you as being not reasonable, it just interesting to see someone that has another opinion. And it got me interested in reading the case against abortion.</p>
<p>While reading Limbaugh&#8217;s arguments I really tried to understand why one would be against abortion. I and actually think that I understand: You simply believe that is wrong kill an embryo.</p>
<p>I think that this belief is just as much a socialized belief, as it is a belief based on fact based reasoning. It is just very hard to change someone&#8217;s mind on this subject.</p>
<p>For me the important thing is that a child should not be brought into the world if itâ€™s not the wish of the parents. For me itâ€™s wrong to have unwanted children. It is in the wording &#8220;unwanted&#8221; - that doesn&#8217;t sound nice. </p>
<p>Although I have to admit that an unwanted child has just as much chance for being loved and cared for, as a wanted child has of being neglected.</p>
<p>Thanks for the insight into the case against! This reply isn&#8217;t meant to start a heated discussion, just my thoughts after reading you post.</p>
<p>Regards Emil</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.intelliot.com/blog/archives/2007/12/07/argument-against-abortion/#comment-366873</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, thanks for the comment. You should read Rush's actual chapter on the subject, as I took these thoughts completely out of context.

For instance, here's a little more context about that AIDS thing...

"Some people's priorities puzzle me. I get calls from nutso environmentalists who are filled with compassion for every snail darter that is threatened by some dam somewhere. Yet, they have no interest in the 1.5 million fetuses that are aborted every year in the United States. I love to argue with them and challenge their double standard. They'll call up and ask me if I believe the rain forests should be saved. I tell them that I don't think we're headed for a crisis on the rain forests, and that if Third World countries allowed people to own the rain forests there would be less incentive to chop them down. People who own private forests in the United States don't chop them down and leave stumps; they grow more trees on them. The parallels are irresistible, folks. As I point out in the Rodney King chapter, people don't burn down that which they own.

"Well, the callers tell me I don't understand what we're losing by cutting down the rain forests. Every time we chop one tree down we could be ruining the chances for finding a cure for AIDS or a treatment for cancer. I ask them if they support abortion, the killing of a million and a half babies in the womb every year. Well, it's a woman's right to choose, they say. I respond by pointing out that one of those babies that was aborted thirty years ago might have grown up to be a brilliant scientist and could have discovered the cure for AIDS. ..."

You'll have to read the rest for yourself :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, thanks for the comment. You should read Rush&#8217;s actual chapter on the subject, as I took these thoughts completely out of context.</p>
<p>For instance, here&#8217;s a little more context about that AIDS thing&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Some people&#8217;s priorities puzzle me. I get calls from nutso environmentalists who are filled with compassion for every snail darter that is threatened by some dam somewhere. Yet, they have no interest in the 1.5 million fetuses that are aborted every year in the United States. I love to argue with them and challenge their double standard. They&#8217;ll call up and ask me if I believe the rain forests should be saved. I tell them that I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re headed for a crisis on the rain forests, and that if Third World countries allowed people to own the rain forests there would be less incentive to chop them down. People who own private forests in the United States don&#8217;t chop them down and leave stumps; they grow more trees on them. The parallels are irresistible, folks. As I point out in the Rodney King chapter, people don&#8217;t burn down that which they own.</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, the callers tell me I don&#8217;t understand what we&#8217;re losing by cutting down the rain forests. Every time we chop one tree down we could be ruining the chances for finding a cure for AIDS or a treatment for cancer. I ask them if they support abortion, the killing of a million and a half babies in the womb every year. Well, it&#8217;s a woman&#8217;s right to choose, they say. I respond by pointing out that one of those babies that was aborted thirty years ago might have grown up to be a brilliant scientist and could have discovered the cure for AIDS. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll have to read the rest for yourself <img src='http://www.intelliot.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not a strong believer of either side, but I'll play devil's advocate:

His entire argument hinges on his assertion that life begins at conception, which he lumps into the "old, standard arguments" category.

Also, some of these arguments are pretty ridiculous.

"The majority of the American people are not in favor of unlimited abortion on demand, but the law was decided by Roe v. Wade, the decision of nine guys in black robes back in 1973â€“ not a democratic fashion."

They found that anti-abortion laws violated the Constitution. Is he arguing that the Supreme Court is not democratic? That's another debate.

"One of those babies that was aborted 30 years ago could have discovered the cure for AIDS."

So could one of the billions of &lt;i&gt;potential&lt;/i&gt; babies that people around the world chose not to even &lt;i&gt;try&lt;/i&gt; to have. Should we all just fuck like bunnies and have billions of babies so that &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; of them &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; find a cure for cancer, or be the next Beethoven, etc? I think not. That's the equivalent of playing the lottery. As it is, the 6 billion people already on Earth seem to be doing a pretty good job of destroying it.

â€œIâ€™ve had women call me on the show and say they were almost aborted by their parents. You canâ€™t imagine the emotional wallop that packs.â€

First of all, what kind of parents would tell their kid they almost aborted them? And how is that relevant? In a world where abortion were illegal, a parent could just as easily tell their child "if abortion were illegal, I would have aborted you" or "I wish I never had you", which would be even more hurtful. Either way, it's irrelevant to this debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a strong believer of either side, but I&#8217;ll play devil&#8217;s advocate:</p>
<p>His entire argument hinges on his assertion that life begins at conception, which he lumps into the &#8220;old, standard arguments&#8221; category.</p>
<p>Also, some of these arguments are pretty ridiculous.</p>
<p>&#8220;The majority of the American people are not in favor of unlimited abortion on demand, but the law was decided by Roe v. Wade, the decision of nine guys in black robes back in 1973â€“ not a democratic fashion.&#8221;</p>
<p>They found that anti-abortion laws violated the Constitution. Is he arguing that the Supreme Court is not democratic? That&#8217;s another debate.</p>
<p>&#8220;One of those babies that was aborted 30 years ago could have discovered the cure for AIDS.&#8221;</p>
<p>So could one of the billions of <i>potential</i> babies that people around the world chose not to even <i>try</i> to have. Should we all just fuck like bunnies and have billions of babies so that <i>one</i> of them <i>might</i> find a cure for cancer, or be the next Beethoven, etc? I think not. That&#8217;s the equivalent of playing the lottery. As it is, the 6 billion people already on Earth seem to be doing a pretty good job of destroying it.</p>
<p>â€œIâ€™ve had women call me on the show and say they were almost aborted by their parents. You canâ€™t imagine the emotional wallop that packs.â€</p>
<p>First of all, what kind of parents would tell their kid they almost aborted them? And how is that relevant? In a world where abortion were illegal, a parent could just as easily tell their child &#8220;if abortion were illegal, I would have aborted you&#8221; or &#8220;I wish I never had you&#8221;, which would be even more hurtful. Either way, it&#8217;s irrelevant to this debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's pretty convincing. Then again, I'm already against abortion, so I'm already taken. I believe that we really need people that are so convinced about abortion, and stop saying it's a choice. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty convincing. Then again, I&#8217;m already against abortion, so I&#8217;m already taken. I believe that we really need people that are so convinced about abortion, and stop saying it&#8217;s a choice. Great post.</p>
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